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February 28, 2007

Exodus VP: gays haven’t suffered enough to deserve civil rights

Exodus International For those of you who have no idea what that is (like I didn’t!)

Exodus Urges Congress to Stop Hate Crime Legislation National Network of Former Homosexuals Urges Congress to Stop Hate Crimes Legislation that Threatens Religious Freedom

Why are these people allowed to be Americans????

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  1. Mary Sue permalink
    February 28, 2007 2:25 pm

    America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, ’cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”

    –from the film The American President

  2. Anonymous permalink
    March 1, 2007 4:32 am

    The reason that many Christians are opposed to homosexual hate crime legislation is the potential loss of religious freedom. In Canada, hate crime legislation has been used to punish individuals and religous organizations who believe that homosexuality is sinful. Do we want a nation where people are perscuted for their religious beliefs?

  3. Eileen permalink
    March 1, 2007 7:51 am

    Anonymous…

    Sign a name and we’ll chat. Otherwise, begone.

  4. David permalink
    March 1, 2007 12:16 pm

    Oooo…yeah. Can’t deny someone’s religious “right” to cause harm to all those heretical gays, can we ?!?

    Try being Matthew Shepard (or his mother), and then come back and talk to me about your precious “rights.”

    (my apologies to our gracious hostess, but this kind of garbage really torques me off!)

  5. Eileen permalink
    March 1, 2007 3:36 pm

    Mary Sue…point well made! OK – I’ll give them back the right to be American, and give up my own incredulity over it.

    David – Before I starting tearing up over “Ordinary People” during my car ride, I was thinking up some retorts to Anonymous’s post. What you said sums up what I was gonna say, so, I’ll leave it to you. High five!

  6. Eileen permalink
    March 1, 2007 5:31 pm

    Here is the voice of reason. Dan, I love ya for this! Cool, collected rational thought on the difference between what is reality and what is the incitement of hysteria. Bravo!

    (And said more nicely than what I was thinking as well!)

  7. toujoursdan permalink
    March 1, 2007 5:37 pm

    Sorry, I wanted to fix my comment.

    In Canada, hate crime legislation has been used to punish individuals and religious organizations who believe that homosexuality is sinful. Do we want a nation where people are persecuted for their religious beliefs?

    I live in Canada and can say that this is crap. I keep seeing this repeated in the US by people who know nothing about Canadian law or society and believe whatever right-wing American media tell them.

    People and organizations in Canada are NOT punished for merely believing or preaching that homosexuality is sinful. The Roman Catholic Church and evangelical churches who believe and preach this still operate freely and even get tax money for their schools and charities.

    You can be punished in Canada for using the public airwaves (radio, TV, newspapers, billboards, leaflets, etc.) to call for violence or genocide of people or demonize people in a way that is likely to lead to violence towards them, based on their religion (including Christianity), ethnicity or sexual orientation.

    Beliefs and doctrine aren’t targeted, using the public airwaves to incite hating violence is. Get the difference, Anonymous? The ban on hate propaganda is similar to the ban on obscenity on American airwaves.

    A quick look at Eileen’s Exodus site shows that they operate here too.

  8. David permalink
    March 1, 2007 9:41 pm

    Thanks again to Dan, who’s had to explain this over on Fr. Jake’s as well to counter fallacious arguements by “conservatives” with their knickers in a twist.

  9. toujoursdan permalink
    March 2, 2007 2:57 pm

    I find the whole thing as offencive as a Christian, as I do as a Canadian.

    People who obsess over this seem to be of the type who believe that being a Christian gives them a right to treat non-Christians (or those they deem heretics) any way they want and if anyone has a problem with it, it’s persecution of their faith. It also assumes that threatening violence or death against certain groups of people that they believe God dislikes is an essential part of the Christian and should be part of protected speech.

    I don’t remember reading that kind of entitlement in anything Jesus had to say. In fact, I would advise anyone who thinks this way to go back and read Luke 6:27-42, think about it and then get back to us.

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